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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:53:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I have a good one....
Why do people (such as the rabble in this thread) hate the very mentioning of psychology? It is as though they cannot stand the idea of people knowing them like an open book, and knowing what motivates them even if they do not admit it to themselves. It seems to hurt their ego and perhaps even scare them. Ultimately, It seems to bring them to anger when they hear their own motivations spoken aloud. To say to someone "you have a need for validation and a need to be right" tends to equal "you are having problems being as validated as you want to be, and you have a need to be right because you are insecure." The outcome is that they see themselves as being more little then they want to be, and the result is the lashing out towards (and attempts to invalidate) the source of what violated their imagined state of being.
Am I close Mr. Psychology BS degree?
Because the people claiming to know such don't. And having a degree doesn't mean you are more intelligent than someone with a high IQ but from a social class that couldn't afford to attend college.
For instance, i'm a sociopath. One with a very high IQ. Anything you thought you knew about me would at best be speculation as I could very easily manipulate the person in question into believing something about me that was completely pulled out of my arse. Of which would prove your thesis on why I did or do something for any reason as complete hogwash. |

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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:10:00 -
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Gahagan wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Because the people claiming to know such don't. And having a degree doesn't mean you are more intelligent than someone with a high IQ but from a social class that couldn't afford to attend college.
For instance, i'm a sociopath. One with a very high IQ. Anything you thought you knew about me would at best be speculation as I could very easily manipulate the person in question into believing something about me that was completely pulled out of my arse. Of which would prove your thesis on why I did or do something for any reason as complete hogwash.
Thats not to say that a counselor isn't useful for helping someone suffering from a mental issue be it depression or grief but that a twenty something kid doesn't have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in a infallible way. ASPD's a special case, which I'm sure you understand, if you do actually have it. And it wouldn't be speculation - it's entirely reasonable to assume that, when conversing with someone with ASPD, that they are in fact outright lying to you. While an interesting example on their own, the bulk of the population doesn't have ASPD, and so it's not valid to claim symptoms of ASPD as an attribution for anyone saying anything negative ever. Further, I'm not making claims that I have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in an infallible way. Only a fool would make such a claim, regardless of actual background or experience. My claim is that I've received a formal education in psychology. Is it possible that someone with a high IQ who didn't go to college can reach the same education independently? Of course. But not everyone has a high IQ, by definition. Conversely, a degree does not guarantee proficiency in a topic. However, it does lend context and credibility, which is the manner in which it's been used in this circumstance. And regarding good and evil: that's philosophical. However, the root of personality and behavior is neural connectivity and neural activation, so there is truth to the statement that the difference between good and evil is within synapses. That isn't really speculation.
I'm not attacking you brother, if you have a genuine intent in helping people with a mental illness then you do an honorable service. I merely gave a snarky opinion regarding the dismissive nature people have regarding psychology. |

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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:18:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not attacking you brother, if you have a genuine intent in helping people with a mental illness then you do an honorable service. I merely gave a snarky opinion regarding the dismissive nature people have regarding psychology.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:13:00 -
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Macks Artilius wrote:There's a lot of talk of "Sociopaths" in EVE so...
1. Would you say that the mechanics of EVE vs other online games would make it more appealing to sociopaths?
2. How can you "detect" a sociopath vs someone who is just a ****?
3. Why don't animals have wheels?
Being one, i'll give this one a go.
The mechanics of EVE are appealing to sociopaths in the sense that they're challenging. This particular sociopath (me) doesn't find scamming appealing, because ive been very attuned to other people's emotions, and mine as well, all my life. To a degree that most can't understand. Almost empathic. The process of manipulating someone is essentially too easy for someone like me and it's an activity avoided. On the reverse, gaining real trust is the challenge and it's an activity I enjoy in EVE. It doesn't imply I seek to get along with everyone, merely gain trust. Even if the trust is gained by living up precisely to my word in a negative way. If I tell you i'm going to wardec you and hunt you exclusively i'm very likely to do so, and probably on a level of tenacity that the average gamer wouldn't expect. And for a even longer duration than most would find sane.
One of the stronger draws to the mechanics of EVE is also the nature of the Dev Team. They don't change the rules on a month to month basis and that plays a huge part of it too.
Sociopaths tend to be intelligent and as such the act of complaining about a rule is somewhat beneath them. They'd assume keep the rule and find a way to overcome and achieve in spite of it, assuming its one they disagree with. A sociopathic miner is likely to become angry with a miner complaining about suicide ganks, as an example. There are nuances to that but if it has been proven doable then any rule to make what has been done already easier is likely to strike a nerve with them.
Way to identify a sociopath? That's a tough one because the core nature of a sociopath is manipulation of emotion. Both others and their own. Some to a severe degree. From a feigned facial expression, a tone of voice, a posture or even the words chosen in a statement. A carefully structured question. All thoughts the sociopath ponders under certain circumstances.
If upon talking to someone you are struck with a notion that the person knows you on a more intimate level than the typical person/stranger would, you are very likely dealing with a sociopath. That effect you feel is very careful manipulation of the conversation by the sociopath by things they have read from you. Your posture, your mood, your cultural background, your appearance, your activity (profession related or other), etcetera.
Keep in mind that there isn't always a negative or harmful intent. The sociopath may very well want you to like them because they like you. And as the achievers they strive to be they find manipulating the situation for a desirable outcome to be honorable where parts of society may not.
There is a distinct possibility that somewhere in our universe an "animal" has developed something similiar to a wheel, as a bird developed a wing, as a means for survival and travel. Perhaps closer to a snail or snakes form of movement around a gellatenous membrane of some type. Like a mousewheel. |

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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:01:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Why do some people feel bad about ruining another human being's day and others relish it. Does this say something about their inate character? When someone can be anything they want and they choose to be a villian without regard to the effects of their choice on other human beings, or in some cases because of the effect on other human beings, is this role-playing or is this saying something about who they are in reality?
In EVE, asking that question is similiar to asking why do the best poker players feel unashamed in bluffing and essentially stealing someone elses money when playing the game.
What your real question, or maybe should be, is "why did the devs not create a game that forces societies moral structure on the playerbase so I can feel sheltered and comfortable?" And the answer is because they didn't want to. They wanted to be different than almost every mmo currently on the market.
And at its core that principle, the willingness to leave societal constructs as they are in real life outside of their world and to allow the universe to be as unhindered as possible creates a visceral and very alluring atmosphere.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:35:00 -
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Yawn. |

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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:41:00 -
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[quote=Karn Dulake]Quote: This is just precious. a few things
1. the wheel question was a trick question as its impossible. You need seperate moving parts you overly intelligent Psychopath.
2. Ive done a lot of human brain mapping using Multiphasic resonance imaging and diagnosed sociopaths have damage to their developentally damaged amygdala. Not the cool answers to an online test.
3. A sociopath would not play Eve as one of their biggest problems is that they look for instant gratification as certain sections of their brain never matured .
4. one of the reasons that Sociopaths never look at the consequences of their actions is due to them not worrying about consequences to their actions or only worrying very close to the punishment time. Just like a child would with there underdeveloped brain.
Conclusion. why dont you tell everyone you are an Aspie as well. You are not a sociopath and it does not make you more interesting. just another person who has to work hard to be noticed
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Aside from your woefully juvenile 4 point thesis on the human psyche your killboard shows mediocrity and subpar intellect as well. |

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Posted - 2012.05.14 16:46:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:lols you tard ive posted that several times on the forum myself.
No Sociopath here. instead why dont you give me a better reason why you are a Sociopath and how you were diagnosed
Oh im sorry Mr Cocky did the posting of your joke of a killboard from supposedly such a intelligent and well schooled individual blindside you?
Im not going to give you anything, who the hell are you? You certainly aren't a threat in game as the evidence shows you a braindead dullard. And from that I know you aren't a board certified psychologist either. Basically what you projected on me, the seeking of attention are the qualities you demonstrate. |

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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:12:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:This guy. Half the people on the internet claim to be either a Sociopath or an Aspie. Its almost always self diagnosed.. And thats without the help of the ICD-3 or the DCM-IV. This always make me laugh whenever people claim to be this. Extra note they always claim to have a superior IQ.
This guy. Half the people in EVE claim to have a Masters and Bachelors but take two+ billion isk ships out in the middle of a war in a 0.7 system and get their rectal cavity pushed in. Too stupid for a scout? Concentration and thought process meager and subpar? Or did you really mean to trash your corps killboard like that?
And with those qualities you have a job.... diagnosing the human psyche. Well if anything you prove that degrees are at their core bought and paid for. Because when I contemplate a mistake like that it comes off as having the attention span of a pissant and the intellect to match. Lemme guess you play casually but you take forum posting real serious. What a fraud.
Wiki 4 the win. Party on, dude. |

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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:31:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:lols you tard ive posted that several times on the forum myself.
No Sociopath here. instead why dont you give me a better reason why you are a Sociopath and how you were diagnosed Oh im sorry Mr Cocky did the posting of your joke of a killboard from supposedly such an intelligent and well schooled individual blindside you? What could a killboard possibly say about relative intelligence and schooling?
To me it shows alot about intelligence, not necessarily schooling. But to hear him talk he's IVY league baby. |
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:16:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote: but take two+ billion isk ships out in the middle of a war in a 0.7 system and get their rectal cavity pushed in. Too stupid for a scout? Concentration and thought process meager and subpar? Or did you really mean to trash your corps killboard like that?
And with those qualities you have a job.... diagnosing the human psyche. Well if anything you prove that degrees are at their core bought and paid for. Because when I contemplate a mistake like that it comes off as having the attention span of a pissant and the intellect to match. Lemme guess you play casually but you take forum posting real serious. What a fraud.
You take your internet spaceships way too seriously. How about I give a couple other motivations? "I don't give a ****, lets do this... 'LEEEEEROYYY JENNNNNKINSSSSS'!" or "I've had this bloody ship for a year... BANZAAAAAAAAAAAAAI!" or one of my favorite quotes from a corpie: "so if having fun means losing some ships, set the ******* on FIRE with gasoline and Tibetan monks strapped to them Reaver style"... I play the game for fun. A lot of people (note: not *all*) who use killboards for e-peen extension therapy aren't fun to fly with. You don't sound like you would be fun to fly with because you present yourself as being too wrapped up in your efficiency %, instead of the fun %. I could be entirely wrong, but that's how you present yourself. /popcorn
If having someone at your side to fly with who will always use their intelligence to make the best choice possible, reduce the risk to self and team and strive for excellence is boring then you're right. I'm probably a dull co pilot.
If losing hundreds of dollars worth of ships regularly is fun to you might I suggest mining? From the forum cry miners seem to have a blast.
Internet Spaceships is serious business, and don't you forget it. EVE is real. |
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